COGR – Is Jesus part of the Trinity?
February 6, 2024
Good day! I am writing a series of short reviews of abbreviated COGR video clips. I am looking for input and comments. If it makes it easier, I will gladly supply a Word document so comments can be put in the document, and we can communicate directly. My email address is lattema@icloud.com. I hope you find these reviews helpful.
Transcript:
“Now what’s important to note here, John, without doubt, knew that it was the Lord talking to him. I told you, and I’m going to remind you, that this is a revelation of Jesus Christ. I’m going to tell you that it’s not a revelation of the second person of the Trinity. It is not a revelation of the second person of the Trinity. It’s a revelation of Jesus Christ, say that’s one and the same nope, not altogether.”
Commentary:
Here, Ray Tinsman expands on his concept of the Trinity. Earlier, he said, “I want you to note that it does not say that it’s a revelation of the Trinity.” He continues here, insisting that Jesus Christ, found in Revelation, is not the second person of the Trinity. He assures us that they’re not the same. Ray gives us enough to know that he is abandoning traditional Christian orthodoxy, but he does not explain how this other Jesus fits into Scripture.
It is unclear to me how someone could claim to be Trinitarian in the classical sense and hold a belief like the one being presented. It’s in the category of fried rice or a four-sided triangle. You can’t get there from here. Who is this Jesus that is not part of the Trinity? How many Jesuses do we have? What Scriptures have led to this conclusion? I have explored the Revelation series, and I do not see an adequate solution to the problems that this position raises. There is, according to Scripture, one Jesus. Jesus existed before the incarnation with the Father, walked on the earth during the incarnation, and ascended to heaven following the incarnation. There is no other Jesus.
Why would Ray make such statements? As we’ll see in future quotes, Ray intends to merge Jesus with the church. It takes very little imagination to understand why that would happen. Jesus becomes the church (according to COGR mythology), and Ray speaks for the church. How convenient is that?
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